The beforelife

topic posted Sun, May 4, 2008 - 8:08 AM by  350ppm
I notice alot of emphasis on the future life

but since the past has already occured, we could probably get data from the past that perhaps will illuminate of the future.

Would you like to share your beliefs, faiths, knowledge, speculations of our the times before our early lives, if any?
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350ppm
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  • Re: The beforelife

    Sun, May 4, 2008 - 2:48 PM

    African (KMT) Creation and Cosmology

    The Kamitic Tree of Life

    is the actual the Origin of the tradition Jewish Kabbalah, in which they Stole, and too our race and culture (the real Jews are from Ethiopia) and our religions and claim it as there own - without proper insight nor understanding)

    Pert em Hru erroneously known Book of the Dead is where this story comes from
    My Blog people.tribe.net/chaz/blog...ebdef2fd67 and is symbolic of - each character (Asuar, Heru, Auset, etc) or ONE God and its many attributions - in-witch Pagans and other myths and religions have changed and turned into Gods and Goddesses (outside of ourselves) I would like to note that the current African religions and those out of diaspora i.e. Yoruba and Voodo etc have done the same mistook analogy for fact and flesh.

    The Tree of Life is a diagram of the process through which God (Divine) creates the world, Man, and Man's sojourn in the world. The Tree consists of eleven spheres, numbered from zero to 10. Sphere 0 is at the top, and is depicted as being "above" the tree. It depicts and corresponds to the state of God and of existence before the creation of the thingly, phenomenal world. In the Kamitic tradition, this aspect of God was known variously as Amen, Atum, Aten, Nu, and Nut.

    Amen, Nu

    The essential state of God or of existence before creation is of an undifferentiated Potential -- the primordial mist. There are two dual principles which characterize the Amen: One is the principle of Mind, the other is the principle of Matter. The principle of Mind is itself dualized into Consciousness and Will. Consciousness represents the passive polarity, and Will the active polarity, of the same essential quality. The principle of Matter may be seen as a continuum, which may more properly be called Energy/Matter, because "matter" in the strict sense is but one extreme of that continuum, being "energy-slowed-down." Implicit in that notion is the fact known to Western science at least since Einstein, namely that energy and matter are mutually transmutable.

    As reflected at Sphere 0 above the Tree, the essential quality of Mind is a state of bliss, peace, hetep, the Kamitic word for a state of unshakable inner peace. The essential quality of Matter, at Sphere 0, in the state of Amen, is that of pure Potential, which means there is as yet no motion, [Note: The Hindu word nirvana also characterizes the state of Amen, and means, literally, "no motion" (nir = "no" + vana = "motion").] no vibration, no "things", therefore no space, and no time. There is also no light, since light is a vibration, and there is no motion.

    Mind/Matter Duality. Parenthetically, and somewhat paradoxically, the energy/matter continuum (i.e. the Matter principle) properly includes Spirit. In the grand dichotomy between Mind and Matter, Spirit falls under the category of Matter rather than of Mind. Spirit is fundamentally energy, and the medium through which Mind expresses itself. Since individuated spirits also are associated with individuated Mind (Consciousness/Will), loose usage of the term "spirit" sometimes, indeed usually, refers also to Mind.

    Strictly speaking, however, spirit is energy, and thus distinct from Consciousness/Will (hence Mind) which may in various senses manipulate spirit. It follows from this schema, that the grand dichotomy here called that between Mind and Matter, could also properly have been rendered as the dichotomy between Mind and Spirit, for matter, too, as "energy-slowed-down," is but a form of spirit. But such a usage would do too much violence to the common understanding of these matters, and the usage that goes with it. In common usage, we speak of body, mind, and spirit as all being distinct, certainly to the best of the ability of our senses to perceive these distinctions.

    At the same time, we use the term "spirit" as a common noun to refer to individuated "souls" that have given up the body, but which retain as an essential attribute the attribute of Consciousness/Will, or Mind. Given the potential for ambiguity, I stick with Mind/Matter as being the fundamental dichotomy, but with the clear understanding that Spirit, qua energy, falls under the category Matter. The concept of soul, in relation to that of spirit, is a tricky one, and will be addressed later on, in the context where it is most easily explained.

    The peace of hetep is an "inner" peace, because it is a state that is considered still to lie somewhere within Man. It is not to be found in the material (energy/matter) principle of the universe, rather in the mind principle. Therefore it lies within. It is an aspect of existence that is inherently indivisible: when you get to "it," there is nowhere further to "go."

    Democritus imperfectly understood this Kamitic concept of "Atum," and sought to apply it to matter. It is from this misconception that Western science found its way to the notion of the atom, as being the smallest indivisible particle of a substance. No sooner was the atom discovered, however, it turned out that it contained yet smaller constituent particles of stuff. There is apparently no end to the proliferation of yet smaller sub-atomic particles. Kamitic spiritual science confidently predicts that the fundamental building block -- in a delicious irony of metaphor -- of matter, is not matter at all, but the energy polarity of the energy/matter principle.

    The wave/particle duality of photons, and of sub-atomic particles, is a manifestation of the energy/matter principle, namely that energy and matter are mutually transmutable. Be that as it may, the state of hetep, in terms of the mind aspect of Being, is the ultimate state of pure inner peace. In terms of the matter aspect of Being, it is the ultimate state of pure, quiescent, energy-as-potential. Both, together -- quiescent mind, and quiescent matter (energy, really) -- constitute the Kamitic concept of the Creator before creation.

    This is Amen, and the Source from which all comes. It is also, in the Kamitic spiritual science, the true nature of the hidden God within, which is essentially unconditioned, and which cannot be upset by externals. It is represented at Sphere 0 above the Tree of Life.
    • Re: The beforelife

      Sun, May 4, 2008 - 3:02 PM

      I forgot to post the source of this article: Kamitic Creation and cosmology theafrican.com/Magazine/Cosmo.htm

      Here is my blog in which I go into depth
      people.tribe.net/chaz/blog...4e24604294

      The purpose of creation

      If the true nature of God, the Source, is Amen, and is essentially unconditioned and undifferentiated, the question arises why did God create the thingly world of differentiation in which Man dwells, and further, why did he create Man.

      The Kamitic scripture says of God in the state of Amen: "I was alone; not born were they."

      God created the world in order to have experience. And It created Man in order to have a vehicle within the world with the same essential qualities as Itself. Man is in this sense created "in the image of God."

      Man is on a journey of return to the Source, to the state of Amen. Man, in his gross, physical aspect, and the thingly world in general, is represented by Sphere 10 (Geb) at the bottom of the Tree. Sphere 10 thus represents the end-result of creation. Spheres 1 to 9 in-between represent the functional stages of creation, as well as the various aspects of the spiritual being which is also part of Man's nature. Not only does the Tree of Life represent the unfolding of Creation, it represents also the way back, sphere by sphere (or branch by branch), for Man's spiritual return journey.
  • Re: The beforelife

    Sun, May 4, 2008 - 4:41 PM
    The before life and the after life seem the same.
    • Re: The beforelife

      Mon, May 5, 2008 - 6:01 AM
      Until a Human Being is Born for the FIRST and ONLY time there is NO "Beforelife" becuase the creation of a NEW human body has not taken place .
      ONE Birth...
      ONE Life...
      ONE Death.
      That is the Established and Medically Documented Life Cycle of the Human Species.
      • Re: The beforelife

        Mon, May 5, 2008 - 9:40 AM
        Jake, are you an existentialist? what's your metaphysical appreciation, if any?
        • Re: The beforelife

          Mon, May 5, 2008 - 4:50 PM

          Dogon and Zulu High Science: Keys to Overstanding History, Mystery, and Prophecy

          A survey of Dogon and Zulu Cosmology -Creation

          THE DOGON OF MALI
          tribes.tribe.net/kmt/threa...1a424e8bdd

          Liber Pennae Ultim-Atum

          I - THE BEGINNING: tribes.tribe.net/kmt/threa...464e79339b

          Dogon Cosmology

          Dogon cosmology and Kemetic sacred science are very similar in concepts and symbolism. In fact, Dogon cosmology appears to be the exact cosmology of the Kemetic priesthood at Annu (ancient Hermopolis). The Dogon know Ra as Amma, 'He Who Rests Upon Nothing'. The Universe is considered 'Amma's Egg'. Within his egg, Amma began spinning around, forming the po seed (the Black Hole at the Galactic Core). The po is 'the smallest [heaviest and densest] thing that was made invisible, at the center'.

          The Dogon of Mali are clear and explicit on the exact star system, which is our original homeland: the Sirius Star system. The Dogon dwell in a mountainous terrain near the border of Mali and Upper Volta in West Africa. The Dogon revealed some of their cosmological science through their interaction with two French anthropologists: Marcel Griaule and Germaine Dieterlen.

          The ancient Kemetian considered themselves the record keepers of spiritual rules and metaphysics communicated to humanity at the time of creation in a moment of Divine revelation by the ancient ones who said they came from the area of Orion having the Dog Stars, Sirius A. B. and C. These recorded principles are the oldest sacred documents in existence filled with the wisdom of the ages. These divine instructions for creating cosmos, bliss, joy, love, harmony, balance prosperity, enlightenment, celebration and health in their daily life can be used again today. The African Dogon still process vast knowledge related to this Dog Star story.

          Here’s their story and remember, it’s an intuitive art - it’s all symbolic, you have to between the lines

          DOG STAR
          people.tribe.net/chaz/blog...c1bea3ef84
          • Re: The beforelife

            Mon, May 5, 2008 - 4:55 PM

            Sex and death began together... sometimes the end is just the beginning

            A SCORPIO Insight ;-)

            Sex and death began together. Billions of years before the emergence of plant and animal life there were single-celled organisms - prokaryotes Ñ- that could reproduce themselves through cellular division, a process called mitosis.

            These single-celled organisms were made possible by the spontaneous emergence of a self-replicating molecule known as DNA. Because prokaryotes could divide and reproduce themselves, they were semi-immortal. In reproduction by asexual cell division, there is no natural death, only forced death. Prokaryotes do not die. The dividing cells do not age and will continue to divide if environmental conditions are favorable.

            Eventually, however, the prokaryotes overpopulated the planet and stagnated because they depleted the environment of the necessary nutrients for their continued survival. Thus life faced its first crisis. So the prokaryotes mutated into a new form by producing a molecule called chlorophyll.

            It was the self-manufacture of chlorophyll that enabled prokaryotes to capture solar energy to make their own food, a process known as photosynthesis. But photosynthesis produced the planet's first pollutant, oxygen, which accumulated in the atmosphere to the point that it became deadly to the prokaryotes. This was life's second crisis. So the prokaryotes mutated into yet another form that allowed for the metabolizing of oxygen.

            This new structure was radically unlike the first because it involved the joining together of prokaryotes to create a totally new form of life - oxygen metabolizing organisms! With this evolutionary innovation, sex and death began their reign.
            These new cellular organisms, called eucaryotes, were too complex to divide, so they had to develop a new way to reproduce.

            Two tiny creatures called paramecia were reputedly the first organisms to mate, the Adam and Eve of the cellular world. As they approached one another, their cell membranes opened and their nuclei moved into a close embrace. Each paramecium exchanged half its genetic material with the other. Then they separated, revitalized. Out of this simple chemical cooperation of primitive bacterial cells we can glimpse the early melding of the rudiments of sex and love.

            The ultimate result of genetic exchange was the diversity of plant and animal life, or multicellular organisms. Genetic exchange allowed single-celled creatures to transform themselves into a multiplicity of new organisms. Sex inaugurated phylogenetic evolution. But once organisms developed the capacity for sexual reproduction, they were no longer immortal and death became a normal event in the life cycle.

            So sex and death are historical events that entered the process together. The price life paid for the evolution of species (phylogeny) was the devolution of ontogeny, i.e., decay toward death of the individual organism. In Jantsch's (1980) words, "Sexuality can only represent one side of a principle the other side of which is death" .

            From the above we can draw an important lesson about Scorpio. Each time there was a crisis, it was resolved by the innovation of some new evolutionary development. Life survived by transforming itself, whenever necessary, into a more complex form. When single-celled prokaryotes were poisoning the environment with their own waste, oxygen, they fused together to create oxygen metabolizing multicellular organisms.

            By developing the capacity to take in rather than eject out oxygen, they embraced the very thing that threatened to annihilate them. It is a paradox that seems to be at the heart of Scorpio. Only by integrating the threatening agent were prokaryotes able to evolve into a new life form and survive. In doing so they developed the capacity for sexual reproduction.

            Sexuality brought about an extraordinary acceleration of evolution and the proliferation of many new life forms, yet it required the death of the individual organism. So from the beginning, sex, death, and transformation were inseparable.

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