In support of his claim (Ben Stein's Movie) that the theory of evolution inspired Nazism [IMO the justification of the transatlantic African SLAVERY and the current affairs of Africa and black people around the globe], Ben Stein attributes the following statement to Charles Darwin's book The Descent of Man:[33]

"With savages, the weak in body or mind are soon eliminated. We civilized men, on the other hand, do our utmost to check the process of elimination. We build asylums for the imbecile, the maimed and the sick. Thus the weak members of civilized societies propagate their kind. No one who has attended to the breeding of domestic animals will doubt that this must be highly injurious to the race of man. Hardly anyone is so ignorant as to allow his worst animals to breed."

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  • Nazism was inspired by Christian hatred of the Jews, a long standing religious pogrom against them, and slavery also had roots in Christianity and, indeed, evolution helps disprove any basis for racism. So a swing and a miss.

    • No argument there, but what about Darwin and his racist views? and even contemporary Social Evolution views?
      He (they) taught/ teach that the white race is evolutionary superior to non-white races and Negro.

      • Jesus was supposably a Jew

        it was Hitler himself and many others who were in cahoots together with Darwin...and also the BIG lie of an Aryan race

        TV Special connects Darwin and Hitler

        Ann Coulter is stunned. How is it, she asks, that she could go through 12 years of public school, then college and law school, and still not know that it was Charles Darwin’s theory of evolution that fueled Hitler’s ovens.

        “I never knew about the link between Darwin and Hitler until after reading Richard Weikart’s book.

        Hitler, she said, “was applying Darwinism. He thought the Aryans were the fittest and he was just hurrying natural selection along.”

        Coulter is among those who appear on Darwin’s Deadly Legacy, a disturbing look at the historical impact of the theory of evolution and the shaky scientific ground on which it rests.

        “To put it simply, no Darwin, no Hitler,”

        www.coralridge.org/darwin/connection.asp
        • You are assuming Hitler required an excuse to do what he did instead of just doing what he was going to do anyway and assembling what ever he found handy to justify himself to sheeple like Ann.

          You might as well say no Wagner no Hitler.

          • Well, either way, Darwin and Social Darwinism and Evolution have set the paradigm for racism and elitism of the white race, very much part of superiority ideology and nationalism and what better way it confirm that with Natural Selection "manifest destiny" of the white race

            much like race in religion, of a so called "chosen people" or "Our Holy Land" in sin or of being savage either way we're Cursed

            • wow I think that's the first time i silenced Grimmy :O

              Article (i know I know another article but it really sets the argument and its a good read)

              Those people who are denying that Darwin taught that the white race is superior obviously have not read Darwin or his contemporaries.

              Are they not aware the full title of Darwin’s most famous work is : "The Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection—or The Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life. " ?

              If Evolution is true then racism is valid because some races will have evolved further than other races. This is clear in Darwin's second work Titled "The Descent of Man" , where one entire chapter was dedicated to “The Races of Man.”

              Now don't get mad at me because this is Darwin, the father of Evolution, speaking the following horribly racist words....

              In his famous book, Darwin wrote: "At some future period not very distant as measured by centuries, the civilised races of man will almost certainly exterminate and replace the savage races throughout the world. At the same time the anthropomorphous apes...will no doubt be exterminated. The break between man and his nearest Allies will then be wider, for it will intervene between man in a more civilised state, as we may hope, even than the Caucasian, and some ape as low as the baboon, instead of as now between the Negro or Australian and the gorilla (1874, p. 178). "

              While some have argued that Darwin was simply “predicting the future,” the chapter on human races makes painfully clear his beliefs on the subject.

              For instance, a few pages later in chapter seven, he noted: "Their mental characteristics are likewise very distinct; chiefly as it would appear in their emotional, but partly in their intellectual faculties. Everyone who has had the opportunity of comparison must have been struck with the contrast between the taciturn, even morose, aborigines of S. America and the light-hearted, talkative negroes."

              While Darwin may have maintained an outward concern for social justice, Thomas Henry Huxley, a close personal friend of Darwin’s and an indefatigable champion of evolution (who frequently referred to himself as “Darwin’s Bulldog”) observed: "No rational man, cognizant of the facts, believes that the average Negro is the equal, still less the superior, of the white man. And if this be true, it is simply incredible that, when all his disabilities are removed, and our prognathus relative has a fair field and no favour, as well as no oppressor, he will be able to compete successfully with his bigger-brained and smaller jawed rival, in a contest which is to be carried out on by thoughts and not by bites" (1871, p. 20).

              The point is obvious: if man evolved, then so did the various races.

              But more than that, Darwin and Huxley argued further that the “Caucasian” race was farther along in the evolutionary process, and thus superior to all the other races.

              Imagine the uproar if Creationists were basing their ideas on such racist filth!

              However, evolutionists do not exactly revel in the thought of being associated with racism (which is one reason that the title of Darwin’s Origin of Species book has been edited to simply "The Origin of the species").

              Most would argue that Darwin's views are ancient, and are simply reflections of the culture of that age (but wouldn't that apply to his whole theory and not just the parts that are not politically correct?.

              Sadly, the stigma of an “inferior race” took root, and has from time to time continued to spring up in the literature.
              [all history and academic study]

              More than fifty years after Darwin released The Origin of Species, Henry Fairfield Osborn remarked: "The Negroid stock is even more ancient than the Caucasian and Mongolian, as may be proved by an examination not only of the brain, of the hair, of the bodily characters such as teeth, the genitalia, the sense organs, but of the instincts, the intelligence. The standard of intelligence of the average Negro is similar to that of the eleven-year-old youth of the species Homo sapiens" (1980, 89:129).

              The most recent addition in this evolutionary theory of human races comes from two prominent scientists—Vincent Sarich (one of the founding pioneers of the molecular clock) and Frank Miele (senior editor of Skeptic magazine).

              Robert Proctor reviewed their 2004 book, "Race: The Reality of Human Differences", in the February 5, 2004 issue of Nature. The first six words of his review were: “This is a very disturbing book” (2004, 427:487).

              Disturbing indeed!

              The authors categorized people according to race, thereby reinforcing the contemporary ideas of racial hierarchy. How many individuals have ever stopped to fully grasp the true extent of evolutionary beliefs?

              And yet, the evolutionary foundations for this racist thinking are still being taught in classrooms all across the country. The Bible is clear—God created simply the human race—not a multiplicity of races and we are all equal. The theory of Evolution says the opposite.

              The Bible is called a fairy tale and banned from the schoolroom, Darwinism is called proven science and taught as fact in the schoolroom. Political correctness alone would require me to support the Bible over this Evolutionist racism nonsense!

              But Science hasn't proven Darwin's theories. Pond Slime -to-people evolution is still just an unsubstantiated hypothesis or conjecture. It's their best guess based on a unprovable presupposition that we got here via purely natural means since they are unwilling to even consider the possibilty of a Creator.

              But If their pre-suppositions are wrong then the conclusions will be wrong.

              • Part 2

                Most people think the theory of evolution proposed by Charles Darwin rests on scientific evidence, observations and experiments. However, the truth is the theory is not based on scientific proof because there have never ever been any transitional creatures found between man and apes or dinosaurs and birds or fish and mammals.

                Though millions of fossils have been unearthed, none show a halfway or changing body from one creature into another creature. Dogs are still dogs, not too dissimilar to fossils of ancient dogs, cats are still cats, fish are still fish, monkeys have always been monkeys and people are still people.

                Yet, for two hundred years, some people have believed in evolution anyway.

                You are probably wondering why some people believe this when the evidence does not confirm their beliefs.

                Well, if you didn’t believe in God, and you were a scientist, you would need some explanation for why we are here - this is called origins - from where did we originate? What are the origins of man?

                Scientists who don't believe in God want to believe in evolution. And when someone wants to believe something, it’s really hard to change their minds. And once they have fully accepted it, it’s hard to convince them otherwise.

                The theory consists of an adaptation to nature of the ancient dogma of materialist philosophy. Although it is not backed up by scientific discoveries, the theory is blindly supported in the name of materialist philosophy.

                This fanaticism has resulted in all kinds of disasters. Together with the spread of Darwinism and the materialist philosophy it supports, the answer to the question "What is a human being?" has changed. People who used to answer: "Human beings were created by God and have to live according to the beautiful morality He teaches", have now begun to think that "Man came into being by chance, and is an animal who developed by means of the fight for survival."

                There is a heavy price to pay for this great deception. Violent ideologies such as racism, fascism and communism, and many other barbaric world views based on conflict have all drawn strength from this deception.

                After all, if we simply the end result of an ancient mud puddle struck by lightning then right and wrong are whatever we decide that right and wrong are - there is no higher moral judge to use as out bench march of goodness, there is no creator that we will ultimately be answerable to - so just go and do whatever the hell you want to. Why not? Life has no reason or purpose, we are only here because of a lucky roll of the dice.

                Until science can conclusively prove I am related to slime, personally I'd prefer to believe that I was created by a loving God and that my life has value, meaning and purpose :O
                • go: Until science can conclusively prove I am related to slime,

                  Happy to oblige.

                  All life left on the planet shares about 66% of its genetic code. Slime molds are actually quite a bit closer to you since they are also eukaryotes. To date there are only 60 lineages of eukaryotes. You and slime modes are both opisthokonts so you might even be as much as 80% or more shared genetic material.

                  tolweb.org/Eukaryotes/3
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                    www.trueorigin.org/abio.asp

                    “How much evidence exists for this view of life’s origin?” When Darwinists discuss “missing links” they often imply that relatively few links are missing in what is a rather complete chain which connects the putative chemical precursors of life that is theorized to have existed an estimated 3.5 billion years ago to all life forms existing today. Standen noted a half century ago that the term “missing link” is misleading because it suggests that only one link is missing whereas it is more accurate to state that so many links are missing that it is not evident whether there was ever a chain

                    Scientists not only have been unable to find a single undisputed link that clearly connects two of the hundreds of major family groups, but they have not even been able to produce a plausible starting point for their hypothetical evolutionary chain (Shapiro, 1986). The first links— actually the first hundreds of thousands or more links that are required to produce life—still are missing
                    • Monkey Business

                      Sun, May 4, 2008 - 9:29 AM
                      article:

                      "Much has been made of the so called *Fact that chimps are our closest living relatives. But DNA doesn't tell us anything about what traits and abilities two species have in common. In making claims for the intelligence of dolphins, no one feels inhibited by the fact that dolphins' closest living relatives out of the ocean are cows and sheep."

                      Chimpanzees and other apes are wonderful animals, fully worthy of ethical treatment and protection. But they are not human beings nor do we come from Apes. They are not 98% human; they are not even half human. They are 100% animals on their own terms.

                      Yes love them-charish them, but these chimps don't know Orange from Blue

                      Yes, things evolve, Evolution is merely change, and so is all-pervasive; galaxies, languages, and political systems all evolve.

                      Unfortunately the common definitions of Evolution and it's usages are outside of the scientific community in the hands of Atheist,
                      Materialist and Sensationalist

                      stating it as "the casue" and omiting god as the intelligent force ...

                      whether or not there is a god, Evolution is unable to answer it...
                • >>"Though millions of fossils have been unearthed, none show a halfway or changing body from one creature into another creature."<<

                  You seem to be arguing there are no "transitional" fossils. This is a common misconception of the uneducated and/or creationists who chose to be blind to the abundant evidence that has been and continues to be unearthed.

                  The truth is there are thousands of transitional fossils. You can explore this evidence in the links below:

                  www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/id/tran-nf.html

                  www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/...C200.html

                  www.holysmoke.org/tran-icr.htm

                  www.asa3.org/ASA/resources/Miller.html

                  One quote from the above article:

                  "Conclusions

                  From this brief survey of fossil vertebrates, it is clear that transitional forms between higher taxa are common features of the fossil record. The morphology of species within a higher taxonomic group becomes less divergent toward the point of origin of that group. Morphological diversity and disparity increase with time. In addition, transitional species possess mixtures of morphologic characters from different higher taxa often to the extent that their taxonomic assignment is uncertain. This pattern is obscured by taxonomy which gives a false impression of discontinuity."

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                    ha-ha Cartoons!?, is this what you all Observe lol! ! i love it... this is like your White Jesus

                    and this is why i don't like Science they try to confuse people - manipulation and Lies ...Show me some actual evidence

                    direct from your own links www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/...C200.html

                    Question: There are no transitional fossils. Evolution predicts a *continuum between each fossil organism and its ancestors. Instead, we see systematic gaps in the fossil record."

                    Response:

                    1. There are many transitional fossils. The only way that the claim of their absence may be remotely justified, aside from ignoring the evidence completely, is to redefine "transitional" as referring to a fossil that is a direct ancestor of one organism and a direct descendant of another.

                    However, direct lineages are not required (Huh?) ; they could not be verified even if found (WHAT?). What a transitional fossil is (there new definition of Transitional), in keeping with what the theory of evolution predicts (meaning their faith), is a fossil that shows a mosaic of features from an older and more recent organism. (yet no connection ...see more below)

                    2. Transitional fossils may coexist with gaps (GAPS? Hahahaha). (THEN ITS NOT TRANSITIONAL ) We do not expect to find finely detailed sequences of fossils lasting for millions of years. (WHY NOT? YOUR SCIENTIST AREN'T YOU - I THOUGHT YOU WOULD NEED OBSERVE IT - OH I GET IT, THIS IS WHERE YOUR RELIGION COMES IN AND FILLS IN THE GAPS )
                • "Most people think the theory of evolution proposed by Charles Darwin rests on scientific evidence, observations and experiments. However, the truth is the theory is not based on scientific proof because there have never ever been any transitional creatures found between man and apes or dinosaurs and birds or fish and mammals."

                  Everything that lives or has ever lived is a transitional species in the same way you are a transition between your parents and your children. Apes can be viewed as intermediaries between monkeys and humans (though of course modern species aren't our ancestors but rather our 'cousins'. Similarly there are transitionals from sauropods and lizards to mammals, sauropsids (IIRC) to birds, fish to amphibians and so forth. To claim that there isn't is, hopefully, just ignorance.

                  "Scientists who don't believe in God want to believe in evolution. And when someone wants to believe something, it’s really hard to change their minds. And once they have fully accepted it, it’s hard to convince them otherwise."

                  See, this is what you don't get. Science isn't about what one wants to be true, it is about what is true and can be shown to be true. Personal desires don't come into it. What does the evidence show? If the evidence supported a deity then that would be the conclusion, it doesn't, so it isn't.
              • >>"If Evolution is true then racism is valid because some races will have evolved further than other races."<<

                This statement displays a complete misunderstanding of evolutionary theory. There is no direction to evolution, so the idea of some organism having "evolved further" makes no sense. Organisms evolve to best take advantage of whatever environment they reside in. Complex forms do arise from more simple forms, but depending on the environment, simpler forms may prove more robust and thus arise from more complex forms. In the case of Homo sapiens, it appears we all have the same equipment with a few superficial characteristics such as skin color varying between the groups. From an evolutionary standpoint, there has not been enough time for any group to have been separate enough to evolve any distinct genetic makeup. From a biologic perspective racial divisions among humans are basically meaningless. This is what modern biology and evolutionary theory teaches us. If you are going to argue against it modern biology and evolutionary theory, at least try to learn what it teaches instead of attacking something that does not actually exist.

                • "From an evolutionary standpoint, there has not been enough time for any group to have been separate enough to evolve any distinct genetic makeup."

                  So are you saying we didn't evolve from apes?

                  SideNote: speaking of Apes I just happen to see the Planet of the Apes tonight - it's all right there

                  I think its still implied, much like you alls inferred answer to the question of god ...heck you call this "modern" but the damage has already been done and the structures are still in place... and paradigm set for imperialism

                  "Most modern biologists today won't express this openly and would disavow the racist connotations. Nevertheless, this was certainly the point-of-view of the Forefather Darwin and his colleagues and evolutionists of most recent pass" [and on up to around a few days ago] (ha-ha)

                  "`Evolution,' from the Latin evolvere, literally means `to unroll'-and clearly implies an unfolding in time of a predictable or prepackaged sequence in an inherently progressive, or at least directional, manner. (The `fiddlehead' of a fern unrolls arid expands to bring forth the adult plant-a true `evolution' of preformed parts.)

                  It implies `the appearance in orderly succession of a long train of events,' and more important, it embodies a concept of progressive development -an orderly unfolding from simple to complex. The O.E.D. continues, `The process of developing from a rudimentary to a mature or complete state.' Thus evolution, in the vernacular, was firmly tied to a concept of progress.

                  What Is a Race?

                  In modern terminology, a race of men may involve quite a large number of individual national and language groups. In the terminology of biological taxonomy, it is roughly the same as a "variety", or a "sub-species". Biologists, of course, use the term to apply to sub-species of animals, as well as men.

                  That this concept is still held today is evident from the following words of leading modern evolutionist George Gaylord Simpson:

                  "Races of man have, or perhaps one should say 'had', exactly the same biological significance as the sub-species of other species of mammals." 1

                  It is clear, therefore, that a race is a category of evolutionary biology. Each race is a sub-species, with a long evolutionary history of its own, in the process of evolving gradually into a distinct species.

                  As applied to man, this concept, of course, suggests that each of the various races of men is very different, though still inter-fertile, from all of the others. If they continue to be segregated, each will continue to compete as best it can with the other races in the struggle for existence and finally the fittest will survive.

                  “For the first time in history science promises a glimpse of how the world’s different populations—popularly called races—have evolved.”[4]

                  When Entine, claiming to have science on his side, tells you that the things “popularly called races” can be said to “have evolved,” what he is communicating to the lay reader—the target audience—is that human races exist and are genuine biological categories. In other words, according to Entine, science has confirmed what the prejudices of most laypeople already tell them is supposedly true.

                  So Entine starts off as if he had already provided the demonstration for a hotly disputed claim, and his prose appears designed to defeat skepticism by relying on the supposed authority of science: “science promises.” What is true, however, is that population biologists have concluded the opposite of what Entine states: human races, it turns out, do not exist!

                  Ever so casually, therefore, Entine has slipped us a falsehood about biological science. So can Entine really be trying to be scientifical, as he claims, Or does he misrepresents the findings of modern biology in order to give racists the premise they need? (same argument against the existence of God
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                    >>"So are you saying we didn't evolve from apes?"<<

                    Again you display your ignorance. Modern biology does not propose that we evolved from modern apes, rather this group and humans probably shared a common ancestor. What does this have to do with the fact that all human groups have not been separate for enough time and in fact have intermixed throughout history, so that there is no distinct genetic makeup for any percieved racial category of humans?

                    >>"As applied to man, this concept, of course, suggests that each of the various races of men is very different, though still inter-fertile, from all of the others. If they continue to be segregated, each will continue to compete as best it can with the other races in the struggle for existence and finally the fittest will survive."<<

                    You are missing some important points and displaying a basic misunderstanding of evolutionary biology. If any human group is segregated, they will diverge over time. For instance, if you set aside a group of Caucasians on an island for 100,000 years, they would no longer resemble, the whole group from which they originated. If the island was in South Pacific, they would undoubtedly have dark skin, for instance. If the island was in the far north, they would likely retain their white skin, but may evolve other traits that would distinguish them from their ancestors... given enough time, a new species would evolve. One could not say this new species had "evolved further" than their ancestors- they are simply different. If groups are segregated, the fittest will survive for whatever environment they happen to live in. If it is the same environment, the evolved traits should converge. If they are interbreeding, they cannot be separate. Also of course, a mixed population will be more robust; better able to adapt with a wider gene pool, so that in theory any group that chooses to segregate itself or is forced to segregate itself over time should be less able to survive than any group with a larger gene pool, unless of course they live in a different in environment and evolve adaptions to it and then this enviroment becomes more widespread- then the separate group might be more fit and become dominant.

                    • Modern biology does not propose that we evolved from modern apes, rather this group and humans probably shared a common ancestor.

                      I don't know what that means "Probably" and "Common Ancestor" - I thought this was Science

                      >"What does this have to do with the fact that all human groups have not been separate for enough time and in fact have intermixed throughout history, so that there is no distinct genetic makeup for any percieved racial category of humans?"<

                      "intermixed" I thought white people were mutants of the black race?

                      >"If the island was in the far north, they would likely retain their white skin, but may evolve other traits that would distinguish them from their ancestors... given enough time, a new species would evolve."<

                      How do you know this if we haven't been given enough time - what's actually funny here is this is just like IDT theory - its probability
                      • >>"I don't know what that means "Probably" and "Common Ancestor" - I thought this was Science"<<

                        It is quite clear you have no idea what science is and what it is not. "Probably" means that all the data we have suggests this is the best explanation of what is observed. Any scientific statement needs to have probably stated, if not implied, as every theory is open to revision, if new evidence contradicts it, or some new theory better explains the evidence. "Common ancestor" is not a difficult concept, but since you are having trouble with it, let me explain it to; you and I probably have a common ancestor. That means we share a great, great, great, great.......etc..grandfather. It is not accurate to say that you or I evolved from one of us; we evolved from a common ancestor. Although we are both different from that grandpa it cannot necessarily be said that we have "evolved further". We have simply evolved and are different. If our ancestors subsequent to grandpa had never interbred, the differences between us would be far greater. Studies have shown that intermixing of genes in human populations is quite far reaching and thus we have not been separate groups and there are no distinct genetic differences between us. Since the world now embraces a global culture is almost certain that truly distinct genetic groups will never arise.

                        • "Probably" means that all the data we have suggests this is the best explanation of what is observed."

                          SO is IDT

                          Yet you have Gaps and haven't really observed the Transitions - Again this is just guess work, what you think might be true not what is true
                          you all can manipulate Science all you want and brain wash all the children but I'm not falling for it - its' your religion to control the world for your perverted Science fiction of what you want the world to be -

                          >"Any scientific statement needs to have probably stated, if not implied, as every theory is open to revision, if new evidence contradicts it, or some new theory better explains the evidence."<

                          Yet you shun god before the data is in - you have a preconceived notion of what you think god is or isn't - you being a scientist are not open

                          >"Common ancestor" is not a difficult concept, but since you are having trouble with it, let me explain it to; you and I probably have a common ancestor. That means we share a great, great, great, great.......etc..grandfather. It is not accurate to say that you or I evolved from one of us; we evolved from a common ancestor."<

                          at some point in time a Transition, according to your science, took place yet you all have no proof of anything... Humans are a race of their own and we didn't come from Apes Face it - Who's your daddy - come on now you know

                          >"Although we are both different from that grandpa it cannot necessarily be said that we have "evolved further"."<

                          you can't tell or prove we evolved any where let alone further ... Apes can't swim and don't like water, but we can

                          >"If our ancestors subsequent to grandpa had never interbred, the differences between us would be far greater."<

                          there was no inbreeding, just mutants caught out in the ice age
                      • >>"How do you know this if we haven't been given enough time"<<

                        How do we know anything? We observe the results of active processes. We gain an understanding of the processes and become able to predict their results. We then test the predictions to determine if our understanding of the processes is accurate. All of this has been done to an extreme degree with evolutionary theory. Additionally, once we understand processes we can simulate how they will act and what they will produce mathematically. All this has been done with evolutionary theory and the work continues. Every day we are gaining a better understanding of the processes, the underlying changeable code that underlies all the processes and we are thus able to make better predictions all the time.
                      • "How do you know this if we haven't been given enough time - what's actually funny here is this is just like IDT theory - its probability"

                        ID isn't a theory, it isn't testable, it's not even an hypothesis.
                        There's evidence for the evolutionary model, therefore it is probable, there's none for ID, and it goes against what we do no, and is therefore fantastically improbable.

                        • ID IS a theory, it IS testable (i can prove it), it IS a hypothesis.

                          Article:

                          "Intelligent design is a theory for making sense of intelligent causes. As such, intelligent design formalizes and makes precise something we do all the time. All of us are all the time engaged in a form of rational activity that, without being tendentious, can be described as inferring design.

                          Inferring design is a common and well-accepted human activity...There is no magic, no vitalism, no appeal to occult forces. Inferring design is common, rational and objectifiable."

                          The ability to detect intelligence is common to all people. So common in fact, that we use it every day. Whole fields of study are based on it such as forensics, archaeology, cryptography and so forth.

                          * police detectives amassing evidence to implicate a suspect
                          * forensic scientists placing a suspect at the scene of a crime
                          * copyright infringement and proof of plagiarism being proven by the matching of words, notes or digits
                          * NASA and SETI scientists determining if a "signal" is from intelligence
                          * insurance companies proving that some claims are fraudulent
                          * statisticians determining whether a string of digits is random or not

                          Ironically, SETI efforts are driven by naturalists looking for the vindication of their worldview and Neo-Darwinism that a life-filled universe would provide. Detecting design is not some highly complex or miraculous process, it is a simple and very common process inherent to the human race.

                          Dembski states that IDT is valid science in the face of common objections by naturalists. Naturalists claim science can't point to a creator or designer. This view has become popular in society: "Science and Religion are separate realms."
                          They make this a priori claim at the onset of their arguments. But this is a logical fallacy because they are artificially limiting science by saying what it may or may not do before any research is done. IDT is a valid path in science that can stand independent of religion and philosophy (whether that belief system is Christianity or naturalism).
              • I've been busy and away, not silenced.

                I have read Darwin, but you must remember to consider him in the context of his time. After all, America was far more aggressively pursuing Eugenics in the 1920s than Germany was. Context is everything.

                You quote:
                "Are they not aware the full title of Darwin’s most famous work is : "The Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection—or The Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life. " ?"

                Races in this time and this context doesn't mean 'races' as we would use it now, it's more akin to 'species' or 'kind'. Use of language changes.

                "If Evolution is true then racism is valid because some races will have evolved further than other races. This is clear in Darwin's second work Titled "The Descent of Man" , where one entire chapter was dedicated to “The Races of Man.”"

                No, this doesn't follow, evolution demonstrates that the differences between the human 'races' are so minor as to not be worth worrying about.

                Darwin's ideas and actions, incidentally, have zero bearing on the validity of the theory.

                "Virtually all Englishmen in Darwin's time viewed blacks as culturally and intellectually inferior to Europeans. Some men of that time (such as Louis Agassiz, a staunch creationist) went so far as to say they were a different species. Charles Darwin was a product of his times and no doubt viewed non-Europeans as inferior in ways, but he was far more liberal than most: He vehemently opposed slavery (Darwin 1913, especially chap. 21), and he contributed to missionary work to better the condition of the native Tierra del Fuegans. He treated people of all races with compassion. "

                "And yet, the evolutionary foundations for this racist thinking are still being taught in classrooms all across the country. The Bible is clear—God created simply the human race—not a multiplicity of races and we are all equal. The theory of Evolution says the opposite."

                The bible is also a fairy tale and factually incorrect. It also teaches of favoured peoples - the Jews - racism and that everyone is inferior, nasty and cursed.

                "The Bible is called a fairy tale and banned from the schoolroom, Darwinism is called proven science and taught as fact in the schoolroom. Political correctness alone would require me to support the Bible over this Evolutionist racism nonsense!"

                Because it is a fairy tale with no real basis in fact. Evolution IS proven science.

                "But Science hasn't proven Darwin's theories. Pond Slime -to-people evolution is still just an unsubstantiated hypothesis or conjecture. It's their best guess based on a unprovable presupposition that we got here via purely natural means since they are unwilling to even consider the possibilty of a Creator."

                Abiogenesis is a separate theory, evolution by natural selection is connected, but distinct, the evidence for common descent is very strong while there's zero evidence of any creator.


                • I have read Darwin, but you must remember to consider him in the context of his time.

                  "F" that, This is supposed to be Science, it just goes to show you what type of minds these perverted Scientist have
                  and all of you all should be a shamed of yourselves for even aknowledging him or this crap you call Evilution

                  He should be discredited and not allowed in Any schools- Racist Bastard

                  "If Evolution is true then racism is valid because some races will have evolved further than other races. This is clear in Darwin's second work Titled "The Descent of Man" , where one entire chapter was dedicated to “The Races of Man.”"

                  "Virtually all Englishmen in Darwin's time viewed blacks as culturally and intellectually inferior to Europeans."

                  "The bible is also a fairy tale and factually incorrect. It also teaches of favoured peoples - the Jews - racism and that everyone is inferior, nasty and cursed."

                  Two wrongs don't make a right

                  >"Evolution IS proven science." <

                  Jason just explained to me that no Science is proven nor Fact ...now which is it? oh that's right, it's your faith and all that you how dear

                  "evolution by natural selection is connected, but distinct, the evidence for common descent is very strong"

                  then if it's so strong why not share it with us ... i mean surely after all this money spent you have something or someway that prove it

                  Show me the proof
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                    ""F" that, This is supposed to be Science, it just goes to show you what type of minds these perverted Scientist have
                    and all of you all should be a shamed of yourselves for even aknowledging him or this crap you call Evilution"

                    And the SCIENCE is what is taught. As has been pointed out to you, it wouldn't matter a jot if Hitler himself had worked out Evolution by Natural Selection, the theory would still be sound.

                    "Two wrongs don't make a right"

                    If you object to something that is true on such flimsy grounds then you should object to something that is false, creationism, that indulges the same issues you're complaining about.

                    "Jason just explained to me that no Science is proven nor Fact ...now which is it? oh that's right, it's your faith and all that you how dear"

                    No faith involved, it is confirmed by experimentation and observation and one of the most well proven theories in science. Philosophically speaking nothing can be proven 100% but that's sophomoric nitpicking.

                    Common Descent:
                    www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/

                    You just get a link because you've already been told.
            • Not at all, evolutionary science smashes the idea of racism by showing our commonality and our closeness. It removes any idea of justification for it. Social Darwinism really has nothing to do with Darwin, it's based on a misunderstanding of 'Survival of the fittest' used to prop up right wing, selfish views. It's unscientific.