Can Scientist make a computer come to life?

God is consciousness and beyond, the potential for all that is, then it because an action ...

This is the ultimate answer to the ultimate question!

a witness through your minds eye and intelligence - God is looking through your eyes, your heart, your soul, and is our discerning factors judgments...(much like animals don't debate Evilution) this is how we are all connected...

this is how we share Love, remember this is a very smart and intelligence force who designed you and everything in the world -
IDT is one way of seeing the intricate parts of DNA it's as cut and perfected as a bugs ear (smiles)

Thought is an energy, then it creates even down to your dna ...Nothing Exist

God is a Black woman ...

there is no space and time, so not light can enter, and gives birth to the world and beyond and everything in it
That's why mama africa is so important ;-P

www.psitek.net/pages/PsiTekDCWMHS31.html

There does not have to be a start point or a creation point. Imagine something that always was, and always will be. You have heard the circle analogy before, no start or end point, or the mobius strip, anything which curves back into itself is immortal! That is the self-reflexive nature of consciousness itself.

Yes we have heard that before, but it’s impossible to have something which always WAS, even if you can design something like a torus6 which can reflect back in on itself forever.

Just as the energy within the torus reflects back in on itself, so too can thought reflect back in on itself and create that which it is reflecting back in upon, namely, itself.

Hmm… I guess I just don’t get it. It must be one of those profound pieces of bullcrap that is above my level of awareness.

Well, we are trying to explain something which has never been created, to those who believe there MUST be a start point to something. And that is true, there must be a start point to something. Consciousness is not a thing. A thing is that which is created from consciousness –– a result of thought.

Consciousness is that–which–creates–itself.

Yes, but you said that consciousness creates thought and can perceive thought, so it must, fundamentally, be compatible with energy and have mass. Energy must be created because something can’t come from nothing. Even a photon that supposedly has no mass must have been created! So who or what created the energy that reflects–back–in–on– itself and forms consciousness?

Our answer is that which creates itself creates the energy which reflects back in on itself to continually create itself again and again. This is the seed – tree – fruit analogy, the fruit contains the seed, which then starts the cycle all over again.

Ask yourself, where did your virtual potential come from? You say, it did not come from anything because it IS nothing –– it doesn’t exist but is the creator of all things. That is no different from what we say –– we are just using different words. The only important thing is that there is no starting point –– there is just continuing. In a linear perception of time this makes no sense, because in human form you can see the body born, grow, and die, so you conceive that there must be a start (and end) point. But there IS no start point, do you get a little bit of what we are saying?

There IS no start point –– that is just how it must be said.

A conscious aware being has always been conscious, by definition. It can never ‘remember’ a ‘time’ when it was not conscious. By definition, consciousness is forever, with no start or end point. The idea of start and end is a wonderful thing, truly it is. It is one of the concepts that enabled an eternal consciousness to dream up a physical existence in the first place –– in order to experience what it would be like to have a ‘begin’ point and an ‘end’ point!

Yes, but when you are building something you have to start somewhere!

Yes, that is true — when you build someTHING you have to start somewhere. A THING must always have a start point –– a car starts out as minerals in the ground, an apple starts out growing as a bud from an apple tree, etc.

But consciousness has always been and always will be –– because it is self aware, and something which is self–aware cannot conceive of a ‘time’ when it was NOT.

OK, I get a little bit of what you are saying — but just because consciousness can’t conceive of when it was not doesn’t mean that something greater than itself could have created it. What about the apple tree? You say it is conscious, but there was no apple tree there at one time! Something else had to come along and plant the seed so that it could then become conscious. So consciousness MUST have a start point!

*Yes, but we ask, who planted the seed? *It was a conscious being! So consciousness existed before the apple tree became conscious.

Yes that is what I am saying! A greater consciousness planted the seed so that the lower consciousness could experience.

Well, you need to look a little deeper. You are assuming again that that there is one consciousness of the apple tree, and another consciousness separate or higher than it, which planted the seed and created the consciousness of the apple tree.

We tell you IT IS ALL THE SAME CONSCIOUSNESS.

The consciousness of the tree is the consciousness of the human who planted the seed –– it is all the same thing, just focused differently.
OK, then if universal consciousness created this universe, then there must be other universal consciousness just like it, creating other universes, and so what appears to be universal consciousness is really just an extension of an even larger consciousness, which then is part of a larger consciousness, etc. Where is all this going?

You have gotten yourself into quite a conundrum! From our vantage point we do not perceive any beginnings or endings of our awareness. We have always been and always will be, that is something so integral to us that it is never even an issue. You see, we are so busy having fun, endless, always different and exciting fun, that it just does not seem to us to be ‘real’ in any sense.

To sum up, from our vantage point: awareness, consciousness, always was and always will be. That’s just how it is perceived, known on all ‘levels,’ as some humans would say, to any conscious being.

So I am never going to get an answer to the question of who or what created consciousness.

You can’t get an answer because there is no answer, IF you are looking for an answer which requires there to be a higher power that creates consciousness, do you see? There is really only one answer, and that is consciousness itself!

This is the ultimate answer to the ultimate question!

Consciousness is the alpha, the omega, the beginning, the ending, the creator of all things, the experiencer of all things. An answer means ‘here is the response that tells you how it will be forever and ever.’ We have responded with an answer that tells you that consciousness is always aware of itself and there never was/is/will be a ‘time’ when it is not aware of itself. So this should satisfy you!

This may sound confusing, but we are trying our best to express in words something which IS itself, the answer to every possible question that could be asked by itself.... you see, the whole thing is always circular, always never–ending and never–beginning, always itself the answer to any question which could be asked... (by whom? itself, of course!).

Whew! OK, my brain is spinning and my mind is out of control. We’ll stop now. Thanks!

"Religion is for those who believe in hell,
spirituality is for those who have been there." - David Bowie

"We speak of the evolution of Life in Matter, the evolution of Mind in Life; but evolution is a word which merely states the phenomenon without explaining it.

"...A hundred years ago, paradox meant error to the scientific mind. But exploring such phenomena as the nature of light, electromagnetism; quantum mechanics and relativity theory, physical science has matured over the past century, to the point where it is increasingly recognized that at a certain level, reality is paradoxical...

Mystics have spoken to us through the ages in terms of paradox. Is it possible that we are beginning to see a meeting ground between science and religion?

When we are able to say that "a human is both mortal and eternal at the same time" and "light is both a wave and a particle at the same time", we have begun to speak the same language. Is it possible that the path of spiritual growth that proceeds from religious superstition to scientific scepticism may indeed ultimately lead us to a genuine religious reality..." M.Scott Peck in the Road Less Travelled - A New Psychology of Love, Traditional Values and Spiritual Growth

"...We speak of the evolution of Life in Matter, the evolution of Mind in Life; but evolution is a word which merely states the phenomenon without explaining it... Yoga means a change of consciousness; a mere mental activity will not bring a change of consciousness, it can only bring a change of mind... The capital period of my intellectual development was when I could see clearly that what the intellect said might be correct and not correct, that what the intellect justified was true and its opposite was also true.... " Sri Aurobindo - The Guture Evolution of Man

"..we are infinite spirits living in a finite situation, hearts made for union with everything and everybody meeting only mortal persons and things. Small wonder we have problems with insatiability, daydreams, loneliness, and restlessness! We are Grand Canyons without a bottom. Nothing, short of union with all that is, can ever fill in that void. To be tormented by restlessness is to be human..." The Torture of Endless Desire - Ronald Rolheiser

From Matter to Life to Mind...AN UNFOLDING CONSCIOUSNESS
www.tamilnation.org/sathyam/...lding.htm

"...The (mind)... seems to deal effectively only with parts of the total reality. It directs its attention to discrete and separate parts of the whole. In order that it may understand, the mind separates and conceptualises. It separates that which is connected and the very process of separation distorts an understanding of the whole.

The mind thinks in sequence in time. The present is a fleeting moment and is then gone forever. Thoughts are so much grist to its mill. Words and concepts are the instruments of its trade. The mind seeks to clarify one concept by having recourse to another. It defines one word with another. There is no end to this process nor is there a starting point. The mind deals in opposites.

Yoga means a change of consciousness; a mere mental activity will not bring a change of consciousness, it can only bring a change of mind... The capital period of my intellectual development was when I could see clearly that what the intellect said might be correct and not correct, that what the intellect justified was true and its opposite was also true.... " Sri Aurobindo -
The Guture Evolution of Man

"We are infinite spirits living in a finite situation, hearts made for union with everything and everybody meeting only mortal persons and things. Small wonder we have problems with insatiability, daydreams, loneliness, and restlessness! We are Grand Canyons without a bottom. Nothing, short of union with all that is, can ever fill in that void. To be tormented by restlessness is to be human...
"The Torture of Endless Desire - Ronald Rolheiser

"Man's highest aspiration - his seeking for perfection, his longing for freedom and mastery, his search after pure truth and unmixed delight - is in flagrant contradiction with his present existence and normal experience. Such contradiction is part of Nature's general method; it is a sign that she is working towards a greater harmony. The reconciliation is achieved by an evolutionary progress.

We speak of the evolution of Life in Matter, the evolution of Mind in Matter; but evolution is a word which merely states the phenomenon without explaining it.

For there seems to be no reason why Life should evolve out of material elements or Mind out of living form, unless we accept the Kemtic solution that Life is already involved in Matter and Mind in Life because in essence Matter is a form of veiled Life, Life a form of veiled Consciousness. And then there seems to be little objection to a further step in the series and the admission that mental consciousness may itself be only a form and a veil of higher states which are beyond Mind... ...." - Sri Aurobindo in the Life Divine

we develop through a predetermined unfolding of our personalities in eight stages... Each stage involves certain developmental tasks that are psychosocial in nature. ... The child in grammar school, for example, has to learn to be industrious during that period of his or her life, and that industriousness is learned through the complex social interactions of school and family.

The various tasks are referred to by two terms. The infant's task, for example, is called "trust-mistrust."... Each stage has a certain optimal time as well. It is no use trying to rush children into adulthood, as is so common among people who are obsessed with success. Neither is it possible to slow the pace or to try to protect our children from the demands of life. There is a time for each task.

If a stage is managed well, we carry away a certain virtue or psychosocial strength which will help us through the rest of the stages of our lives. On the other hand, if we don't do so well, we may develop maladaptations and malignancies, as well as endanger all our future development...

Please see 8 Stages of Psychosocial Development on the website
www.tamilnation.org/sathyam/...lding.htm

"... human beings' needs (are) arranged like a ladder. The most basic needs, at the bottom, were physical -- air, water, food, sex. Then came safety needs -- security, stability -- followed by psychological, or social needs -- for belonging, love, acceptance. At the top of it all were the self-actualizing needs -- the need to fulfill oneself, to become all that one is capable of becoming. ... unfulfilled needs lower on the ladder would inhibit the person from climbing to the next step. Someone dying of thirst quickly forgets their thirst when they have no oxygen... People who dealt in managing the higher needs were... self-actualizing people..."- Abraham Maslow

"...man's primary motivational force is his search for meaning. Since persons are capable of deciding, they are also responsible for their decisions. A human being is not a mere puppet of biological, hereditary and environmental forces, but is always free to take a stand toward inner conditions and outer circumstances..." - Viktor Emil Frankl

"...As there is no end to the refinement in our method of analyzing parts, there is no end to the concept of totality... Another basic concept is that man is seen in motion, constantly on his way. Consequently the question arises: "Where is he going?" If we know where a person is going, we can understand why he is moving the way he is moving. In other words: we understand his behavior..." Alfred Adler

"...Men have always debated whether the mind governs the body or the body governs the mind. Philosophers have joined in the controversy and taken one position or the other; they have called themselves idealists or materialists; they have brought up arguments by the thousand; and the question still seems as vexed and unsettled as ever

"...The strong man holds in a living blend strongly marked opposites. Not ordinarily do men achieve this balance of opposites. The idealists are not usually realistic, and the realists are not usually idealistic. The militants are not generally known to be passive, nor the passive to be militant. Seldom are the humble self assertive or the self assertive humble. But life at its best is a creative syntheses of opposites in fruitful harmony.... ;-)

Alright, then where do you see the difference in live versus non-life? or do you claim there is no difference? if so, then do you think there is any utility in the concept of life? and if so, then where do you make the denotations?

Exactly.

<<The difference is in the organization.>>

So your concept of life is dependent on physical organization.

That seems simple enough.. so how does your definition become useful in your life?