"You know, he is a mortal."

topic posted Wed, July 1, 2009 - 1:48 AM by  God Star * ☼ॐ
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You know, he is a mortal.

I apologize, I'm trying not to be too cheeky but whenever a very famous person dies there are people theorizing that they faked their death, that their death was extraordinary involving conspiracies. I'm sorry, fame aside they are just people, as human as you or I, their lives hang by a thread just as thin. And you know what, as extraordinary as his fame was, in the scheme of things the people we raise to fame are not really much more extraordinary than average people in most ways. It isn't so much that individual people are that spectacular, it's that the masses demand their heros, clowns, leaders, entertainers to amuse themselves, to blame, to gossip about, to make into gods for themselves and then dash those idols down hard in resentment and envy or if they turn out to be something less than the image they wanted to believe in so bad.

He lived and he died, he got a lifetime, he was a person.... that is it. He had issues, WE ALL HAVE ISSUES though, nothing extraordinary and nothing more tragic or more elevated than the most common people working as clerks at your gas station. People gossiped and probably exaggerated, speculated, psycho-babbled, to analyze a person they didn't know... but that happens in small towns and offices to people who seem a little different. So what happened to him on the media happens to people in high school when notes are passed and reputations are soiled, or in jobs when people are fired on allegations and end up in court fighting to keep their job, even if the worst things said about him were true he's not that extraordinary... for how many people are running around that have been messed with by their sunday school teacher, priest, neighbor, etc?... a lot of pervs out here who seem like pillars of small communities and win trust of parents. A lot of people can get falsely accused for money, revenge, or just because someone is a hysteric living out the drama humanity has been playing since witches started getting tried and burned.

Nothing extraordinary, it is we who make it all bigger than life with the illusions our fandom or our vilification of our "key figures" from music stars to politicians projects around us. The reality is, just people, a blip in the story of history told in increments of millennia . Who talks about Cicero outside of dusty professors to bored undergrads, yet he was celebrity in his time, and as long from our time as Cicero is to ours Micheal Jackson or any of our Celebrities is unlikely going to matter much.

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No. he was extraordinary since the age of 5 ... MOTOWN baby!

Of course he was just a man, but his Spirit lives on and through us...

>"as extraordinary as his fame was, in the scheme of things the people we raise to fame are not really much more extraordinary than average people in most ways".<

MJ Was extraordinary entertainer, God gifted him with special talent at such a young age, i see him as being born older digressing to a youthful innocence. He was a special child with a powerful message - think of Ben - even back then he had the same underlying in all his messages and songs.

of how bad mean evil society was, and just wanted to get the "F" away.

His only interest in children were their spirit and innocence -

he represented an innocence ...sorry but he was very special, as we all are

of course we're all entitled to our own opinion, but some of us are just dead at the core ...

come on, i get your point but then you just went to far.

Every time corruption happens people are to afraid to stand up and speak out, if something is "only just a conspiracy" then it should stand up to questioning, if there are inconsistencies, wholes, motives and things just don't ad up they're no longer conspiracies, until these questions are addressed, we have to hold people accountable, to many of us just except what they say without any hesitation - if some Science article says if from a main stream news paper of on the news then it must be true we just except what they say...when in fact the way they got to be BRANDS is by playing into the bottle line.

the world has become disgruntled detached apathetic a bunch of pacifist who are to frighten to step outside of their daily newsfeed of conditioning and branding, right stuck up on their foreheads, and just can't think for themselves, and the reason why these entertainers have to do what they do - if some of these people would just ....

but see Devils don't like that, they want to tear down love because of their evil perversions projected on another such people as OJ and MJ

sensationalist overkill then kill the hero like you ... paparazzi feeding the faithless

this is earth based religion of materialism and witchery... i don't believe this is "human nature"

“We are the manufacturers of our own misery!”

He was magic and divine, no one had his energy, stage presence, dancing, magic and heart , if you never seen him LIVE in concert then you could never really know what I'm talking about - the energy, the magic ...and how thousands and thousands are just mesmerized by the show. all eyes glued on his every move.

if all you see is average then perhaps is because you're ...
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  • Re: "You know, he is a mortal."

    Wed, July 1, 2009 - 4:33 AM
    I talk about Cicero.
    • Re: "You know, he is a mortal."

      Wed, July 1, 2009 - 10:48 AM
      I don't believe any of the bad press about this guy....I think he got a raw deal from the media and those who tried to and succeded to con him because of his position and status....I just think he never grew out of his niave childhood nature seeing he was never really able to be a child...therefore he remained a child.....Childlike..innocent. I am sorry but I truly think that he really died a long time ago, it just caught up with him now. I think his death is a shame and an example of what media hounds will do to someone that is famous....he just didn't know how to be any body else but himself....unfortunately it killed him..
      • Re: "You know, he is a mortal."

        Wed, July 1, 2009 - 12:58 PM
        I agree with what Brian said that he was very naive and never grew out of uhis childhood nature. I also feel that he was taken advantage of by many people (including some of his family) for most of his life, and he never got to deal with his "issues" in private the way most of us do, if we are lucky.

        Unfortunatley I do believe he probably was guilty of some of the charges that were brought against him, but I am not sure that he was truly capable of seeing anything wrong with his behavior. Listening to some of the parents and children involved from that time though, it seems that most of them were well aware of what was going on,and they all wanted to make $$ off of his obsession and again take advantage of him. I'm not condoning pedophila, but I think he was ill, not a "Pervert" if that makes sense. I think he enjoyed playing with those kids, and I remember playing "doctor" with other girls & boys as a kid. I have no interest in doing that now that I am a man,but hey... Let him without sin cast the first stone...
  • Re: "You know, he is a mortal."

    Fri, July 3, 2009 - 6:25 PM
    Personally, Prince his contemporary is far more artistic (in my opinion) most of MJ's songs had a real appeal for me in his first few albums but then it seemed he had a sound he just couldn't deviate from.... every album started to sound like the same formula. Whereas... Prince seemed to be fresh and different, more experimental, more willing to take risks... wasn't bored with him.

    Then again, I'm admittedly a bit of a snob, I tend to favor those artists with less popularity, because I've observed that whatever the masses swallow tends to be mass packaged overproduced crap and that artistic risks scare people. Not to take anything away from MJ's ability to sing and perform, or dance... in that sense he was talented and well rounded in many disciplines that almost qualifies him as theatre... but I considered him an artistic let down
    • Re: "You know, he is a mortal."

      Fri, July 3, 2009 - 9:27 PM
      Can't ever seem to get into pop for its own sake. MJ, the artist formally known as the artist formally known as Prince, Modonna, Cher, etc, et al ... they all had a song now and then and that was ok but really they sell personality and I can't listen to that. Its like watching too many Sailor Moon's or listening to hiphop or pretending Andy Warhol is art.

      Its a shame American music is so dead at the moment. I knew we were introuble when zombie punk, I mean "alternative," petered out. Hip Hop hasn't had a new song since the Betty loop in 1981 and even I can't take another decade of classic rock repeats. Dance music hasn't grown since 2000.

      Any one heard anything fresh and good lately?
      • Re: "You know, he is a mortal."

        Thu, July 9, 2009 - 7:39 AM
        well, yes, I have heard good music lately but not in any mass media

        My town has a lot of live music, one popular genre is being labeled by the industry as "alternative country" which has been the rejection of some country musicians of overproduced stuff that gets played on corporate radio in favor of older forms of country, folk, americana, and bluegrass... maybe even a touch of classic rock mixed in but not in the slick way. It has nothing to do with "alternative" that the industry has been selling but they've been selling it as if it is.

        But what people hear of alt country is just the tip of the iceberg, and not the good tip. The stuff that I hear in bars by great musicians who'll never get attention are basically people who just would not look like sex symbols in a video, never attract groupies, but sing with their heart and soul and musical talent.... I also hear a lot of live jazz (which is a American art form which gets respect everywhere else but America and is still vital, changing, developing into so many forms) and a lot of current folk Zydeco, Cuban, Brazilian, and Bluegrass music (live also).

        My advice to everyone is to stop watching TV or radio, go out, and find out where there is a really good community of live musicians. I pay in covers for live music events per month (most of them are free though) what most people pay for their cable bill. There is so much talent out there, and such a sense of community one gets to be able to shake hands and have drinks with musicians rather than standing and looking at tiny specks in an arena. Some venues I go to listen to music are small enough that amplifiers are not necessary.

        Great music is out there, it's just irrelevant to people who want to invest, Disney-fie it, and reap large profits from it and the merchandising around the music and the personality cults surrounding it. Lots of fresh sounds... If there was a tragedy to MJ it may have been that he was entrapped by that huge industry generated personality cult around himself which would have been utterly impossible to escape the way they had it around him, I wonder if he wouldn't have had a happier life without the money, the mansions, but just a regular guy singing in bars somewhere working a day job... and I'd wonder if that had been the case if his music might not have been even better.