The Materialist World View

Thanks Jake, I guess my point was not so much that we don't need or like to have nice things but more so our Philosophy in life
our values, our morals etc... So you would or wouldn't consider your self a materialist or not?...what about "Spinoza's pantheism??

"Essence can be sought from the fixed and eternal things, and at the same time from the laws inscribed in these things, as in their true codes, according to which all singular things come to be, and are *ordered."

ma·te·ri·al·ism (m-tîr--lzm)

n.

1. Philosophy The theory that physical matter is the only reality and that everything, including thought, feeling, mind, and will, can be explained in terms of matter and physical phenomena.

2. The theory or attitude that physical well-being and worldly possessions constitute the greatest good and highest value in life.


sen·sa·tion·al·ism (sn-ssh-n-lzm)
n.

1. Seekers of dark miracles and hot sweaty flesh

2. shockingly morbid ritual magic, sacrifice, violence, mutilation, satanic possession, and necrophilia
torture, and terror for amusement, perverted sex, and sheer exploitative excess of any kind?

come on now Grimm, let's focus on the Materialist - i mean you all can define yourself without god or believing in god right?

it seems that you (Scientist) set the stage for the evidence ...how would you prove it or what would prove it to you?

analogy

A beggar had been sitting by the side of a road for over thirty years. One day a stranger walked by. "Spare some change?" mumbled the beggar, mechanically holding out his old baseball cap. "I have nothing to give you," said the stranger. Then he asked: "What's that you are sitting on?" "Nothing," replied the beggar. "Just an old box. I have been sitting on it for as long as I can remember." "Ever looked inside?" asked the stranger. "No," said the beggar. "What's the point? There's nothing in there." "Have a look inside," insisted the stranger. The beggar managed to pry open the lid. With astonishment, disbelief, and elation, he saw that the box was filled with gold.

I am that stranger who has nothing to give you and who is telling you to look inside. Not inside any box, as in the parable, but somewhere even closer: inside yourself.

"But I am not a beggar," I can hear you say.

Those who have not found their true wealth and intelligence, which is the radiant joy of Being of Spirit and the deep, unshakable peace that comes with it, are beggars, even if they have great material wealth or logic. They are looking outside for scraps of pleasure or fulfillment, for validation, security, or love, while they have a treasure within that not only includes all those things but is infinitely greater than anything the world can offer.

Whatever term you use for the phenomena, it is scientifically accurate to say that no human being has any power of their own.

Even the chemical energy of our metabolism is borrowed from the sun, which beams light to the earth, which is then converted by plants through photosynthesis into the food we eat.

We go to Wholefoods for bread, but the caloric energy it contains originates from thermonuclear reactions deep in the center of a nearby star. We run on star power. Our animation or "spiritual" energy we channel comes from far beyond, from all sides of the universe, from the complete TES, from beyond the oceans of galaxies, and into infinity. No human being owns the Atman, and no one can speak for the TES.

Amen has no mind ambition or personality whatsoever, so dog star can only speak from his own animal mind. The animal mind may want its disciples to "take over the whole world," but the Void of Amen does not care because it is beyond any motivation. It is not split like us, it just simply isandisn't